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snubbyfan

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#21
Will definitely make most private sales dry up - who has the time or inclination, plus the extra $, to deal with meeting at a gunstore/FFL, and spending 30 minutes to an hour doing paperwork and paying a 3rd party.
For someone like myself - and no doubt many members of this forum, who likes to peruse for sale ads, and then buy whatever we find interesting or that fills a hole in our collection, take it shooting a few times, and then if it doesn't make the "final cut" for permanent space in the gun safe, to sell it for a similiar price or only a small loss - this will pretty much destroy adding to the collection.
You hit the nail on the head, unfortunately.
 
#22
"Just checking that you don't think all the dealers here are conspiring to charge for the background check to screw over buyers."
Not my thoughts at all there jfrey, however, I would be very interested to understand when, where, and how this method came to be a standard and/or law. When I hear the words "on our behalf".....it makes me wonder, I tend to be a curious person.
I am a business man and when seeing an opportunity/need to add to my business I will do it. But the market must bear it,,,,and,,,,,it should be the standard of the industry. In this case, I don't necessarily think it is.
I apologize in advance if someone thinks I am abrupt, but I was taught in Wyo to be very clear about my thoughts.
 

titanNV

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#23
Private sales will remain open here on the forum. As always it is up the buyer and seller to complete any transaction in a lawful way.

But I would assume there would be less action. Paying a $25 FFL Transfer fee and a $25 BG fee, plus tax, is cost prohibitive for many transactions.
 
#25
Thanks Janizary and jfrey...clearer for me. Makes me wonder the climate in Nev back when this became the standard.....right?,,,left? Also kind of suggests why the Fed was not on board with Prop 1.....And I agree Titan...may limit a lot of sales that many of us were used to doing.
 

Ka Lbo

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#26
FFL calls NV Dept Public Safety ($25), instead of direct calls to NICS (free), is "NV STATE" government jobs program...cloaked under the veil of, gun safety.
 
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jfrey123

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@elkman06, I grew up in Reno most of my life, and would describe Northern Nevada as right leaning centrist until about 8-10 years ago. The only good government was small government/low taxes and most people just wanted to be left alone to live their lives. Vegas went blue long before the rest of the state, Washoe county followed as more Cali transplants began migrating in the late 2000’s.
 

MAC702

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#28
The State of Nevada MAKES A PROFIT from background checks. Because someone discovered they could.
 

pick_six

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#29
True dat, that said, in MOST states that have direct calls, the vendor is allowed to charge for the pleasure.

Either way, it should be free. Likening it to a poll tax.

FFL calls NV Dept Public Safety ($25), instead of direct calls to NICS (free), is "NV STATE" government jobs program...cloaked under the veil of, gun safety.
 

Ka Lbo

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The State of Nevada MAKES A PROFIT from background checks. Because someone discovered they could.
Interesting thought. Rather sure there is a Power Point slide and associated spreadsheet that verifies, the State of Nevada makes a profit on FFL calling Department of Public Safety who has an interface (phone / computer) to NICS.

Wonder if they point out this is 100% at the expense of Nevadans, and 100% unnecessary. NICS is free. Oh wait, there is an alleged profit being made.

Department of Public Safety inserts themselves in the process...an unnecessary step in the process. Added cost to Nevadan. ZERO added value, me thinks.

But, but, but, the State of Nevada is making money. Really? Salaries, annual leave, sick leave, 401K contributions, holidays, HR processing crap, office space / support, phones, computers, mandatory training, retirement benefits (money, medical...)...

100% don't believe it is making money for the State of Nevada.

Just a regular citizen here. Not a businessman. Rather sure, only a politician could create and support this nonsense, at the expense of Nevadan gun owners, they theoretically serve. As suggested earlier, all wrapped up in veil of safety for all Nevadans.

If I am missing the bigger picture or simply out to lunch, please do tell. Admittedly not as well versed as many seasoned folks. More than happy to have my thoughts calibrated.
 

MAC702

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#31
Let's assume there is no "profit" and that the entire amount of all the fees collected go to paying for the air-conditioned offices, salaries/benefits, computer systems, and whatever else can get hidden in there, of the employees whose sole job is to do something that isn't needed. Okay.
 
#32
Let's assume there is no "profit" and that the entire amount of all the fees collected go to paying for the air-conditioned offices, salaries/benefits, computer systems, and whatever else can get hidden in there, of the employees whose sole job is to do something that isn't needed. Okay.[/QUOTE

You have pretty much explained WHY government ALWAYS grows itself.

Politicians and bureacrats pass and enact new rules and policies that force taxpayers to jump through hoops and pay more fees and fines (revenue) in order to justify and perpetuate their bloated existence.
 
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pick_six

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#34
Iirc one member here runs a blog that detailed the money from a state source. It’s been a while, but I recall the money being Between 1 and 2m / year total.

But maybe someone can double check that against a state budget I think

And yes, the job of .gov is to grow itself.

 

jfrey123

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#35
If you have a CCW, no charge by LGS you buy the firearm from.
For the purpose of a private sale after 1/2/2020, a CCW will be irrelevant. CCW exemption for a sale from dealer is a Federal statute, and allows the dealer to make the sale without the call. The NRS for private party sales states that the dealer “must” perform the check and no permission for an exemption is granted.
 
#36
Interesting, I'm not the only one who seems to think that there is, and has been a system set up here for someone to make money as opposed to, "that's just the way it is"...……...As I said earlier, if it is the standard of the industry...so be it...but if not......well. You boys got it.